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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://toothsoup.com/blog/2009/06/26/plans/comment-page-1/#comment-4826</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you find a backup of Lit Hyp yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you find a backup of Lit Hyp yet?</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://toothsoup.com/blog/2009/06/26/plans/comment-page-1/#comment-4823</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Usually, yes.  After the process of letting an idea sit in my head until I come up with an ending, I write a skeletal outline.  Not really technical, just what will happen and in what order.  With my novel, I wrote out a timeline, profiles for each of the major characters, and drew a map of the city within which everything takes place.  I also wrote outlines for each chapter, rather than the whole book (not sure I will do this again).

2. After a few years of working with plans, as opposed to years working without plans, sometimes I do find it limiting.  I do alter plans quite a lot and like to keep things general enough that I can fill in blanks.  Planning helps me clarify plot points, better understand characters, to have reference points when my understanding gets muddy.
A tangential thought, but related.  Prior to implementing planning processes, I would start writing some idea that popped into my head.  I would labor over a few paragraphs, get very excited, and let things grow.  Then I would reach a plateau, get frustrated or distracted, and put the story away for a while.  While I do have finished work from that period, I have a lot more unfinished fragments.  I have gone back to these fragments only to realize that the story was half-baked, or that I couldn&#039;t remember what was supposed to happen.  
By writing an outline first, I at least have a way to remember where I was going.  By waiting until I know the ending (roughly) before writing the outline, I save myself the frustration of not having a direction to go in when I&#039;m writing the story.  Also, planning doesn&#039;t always make the actual process of &lt;i&gt;writing&lt;/i&gt; any easier.

3. I don&#039;t think that planning is a necessity for each person, ergo I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary for all disciplines.  Short pieces always involve less planning.  Outlines are one paragraph tops, sometimes just a list of quick plot points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Usually, yes.  After the process of letting an idea sit in my head until I come up with an ending, I write a skeletal outline.  Not really technical, just what will happen and in what order.  With my novel, I wrote out a timeline, profiles for each of the major characters, and drew a map of the city within which everything takes place.  I also wrote outlines for each chapter, rather than the whole book (not sure I will do this again).</p>
<p>2. After a few years of working with plans, as opposed to years working without plans, sometimes I do find it limiting.  I do alter plans quite a lot and like to keep things general enough that I can fill in blanks.  Planning helps me clarify plot points, better understand characters, to have reference points when my understanding gets muddy.<br />
A tangential thought, but related.  Prior to implementing planning processes, I would start writing some idea that popped into my head.  I would labor over a few paragraphs, get very excited, and let things grow.  Then I would reach a plateau, get frustrated or distracted, and put the story away for a while.  While I do have finished work from that period, I have a lot more unfinished fragments.  I have gone back to these fragments only to realize that the story was half-baked, or that I couldn&#8217;t remember what was supposed to happen.<br />
By writing an outline first, I at least have a way to remember where I was going.  By waiting until I know the ending (roughly) before writing the outline, I save myself the frustration of not having a direction to go in when I&#8217;m writing the story.  Also, planning doesn&#8217;t always make the actual process of <i>writing</i> any easier.</p>
<p>3. I don&#8217;t think that planning is a necessity for each person, ergo I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary for all disciplines.  Short pieces always involve less planning.  Outlines are one paragraph tops, sometimes just a list of quick plot points.</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
		<link>http://toothsoup.com/blog/2009/06/26/plans/comment-page-1/#comment-4817</link>
		<dc:creator>Stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. No. I start writing in fragments, and shuffle around the fragments, which kind of becomes a vague outline, and then when I feel like the vague shape is right, start weaving them together. I usually find my final sentence pretty quickly, and accidentally. Then it&#039;s just a matter of getting the rest of the piece to the end.

2. I can&#039;t plan unless I&#039;m halfway through writing, at which point everything is a big ol&#039; mess and I have to sort it out in my head before I can keep going. At that point it&#039;s more a matter of clarifying for myself rather than deciding what to write. Anything non-fic under about 1200 words I don&#039;t plan at all. For fiction, I can omit planning up to about 5000 words.

3. No, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re necessary for short pieces but that&#039;s mainly because I can hold those in my head without getting lost, and I only plan to remind myself of my intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. No. I start writing in fragments, and shuffle around the fragments, which kind of becomes a vague outline, and then when I feel like the vague shape is right, start weaving them together. I usually find my final sentence pretty quickly, and accidentally. Then it&#8217;s just a matter of getting the rest of the piece to the end.</p>
<p>2. I can&#8217;t plan unless I&#8217;m halfway through writing, at which point everything is a big ol&#8217; mess and I have to sort it out in my head before I can keep going. At that point it&#8217;s more a matter of clarifying for myself rather than deciding what to write. Anything non-fic under about 1200 words I don&#8217;t plan at all. For fiction, I can omit planning up to about 5000 words.</p>
<p>3. No, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re necessary for short pieces but that&#8217;s mainly because I can hold those in my head without getting lost, and I only plan to remind myself of my intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: Re-* &#124; Anchorage</title>
		<link>http://toothsoup.com/blog/2009/06/26/plans/comment-page-1/#comment-4813</link>
		<dc:creator>Re-* &#124; Anchorage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Initially I was going to title this post &#8220;Relief&#8221;, and soon after typing decided to change it to &#8220;Realisations&#8221;. Then, as I was listening to In Flames, I could not help but compulsively title it &#8220;Reroute to Remain&#8221;. Realising that all these changed were actually &#8220;Rectifying&#8221; the title, my brain sort of imploded; I decided to just call it Re-*, and hope my Wordpress account would not shit itself when trying to automatically create a static url for the post. This process is actually how most of my post titles come about, just in case you were wondering Phill. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Initially I was going to title this post &#8220;Relief&#8221;, and soon after typing decided to change it to &#8220;Realisations&#8221;. Then, as I was listening to In Flames, I could not help but compulsively title it &#8220;Reroute to Remain&#8221;. Realising that all these changed were actually &#8220;Rectifying&#8221; the title, my brain sort of imploded; I decided to just call it Re-*, and hope my Wordpress account would not shit itself when trying to automatically create a static url for the post. This process is actually how most of my post titles come about, just in case you were wondering Phill. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Usually yes. Ever since I started writing, I&#039;ve generally tried to have at least one aspect of the plot or point on paper before I launch into it. I&#039;m a very good rambler (for proof see the years I&#039;ve been blogging) so it keeps me in check. Which usually (hopefully?) results in tighter plots, etc. 

2. Sort of. That&#039;s part of the attraction of a plan for me. I do tend towards very complicated plots, so if I lay down a skeleton that I need to stay within, it prevents me from wandering off into the realms of metafiction. Even with a plan I still do that, but I then look at what I&#039;ve written and what I planned to write and realise a lot sooner how far off the beaten path I&#039;ve gone than if I didn&#039;t have one. 

That said, I do sometimes find myself with a hard decision of whether moving away from what I&#039;ve planned might result in a better story. Those are tough, and I usually have to think for a pretty long while, or even write a completely separate plan or start writing the story again to get to the answer.

3. Not as much? For me I still have at least a sketch of an idea in whatever I write. Even if it&#039;s a 100 word rabble, I&#039;ve got that many words again describing what&#039;s going to happen. But I think it&#039;s more of a function of the largeness of the idea rather than the largeness of the form. So a poem may be 10 lines long but contain a very profound idea/observation. In those cases I&#039;d definitely want to have a conversation with myself on paper to be able to bring it into focus. Whereas if the idea is small, I would be happy to just have a few lines of confirmation of the story arc/characters laid out before starting.

So what do y&#039;all think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Usually yes. Ever since I started writing, I&#8217;ve generally tried to have at least one aspect of the plot or point on paper before I launch into it. I&#8217;m a very good rambler (for proof see the years I&#8217;ve been blogging) so it keeps me in check. Which usually (hopefully?) results in tighter plots, etc. </p>
<p>2. Sort of. That&#8217;s part of the attraction of a plan for me. I do tend towards very complicated plots, so if I lay down a skeleton that I need to stay within, it prevents me from wandering off into the realms of metafiction. Even with a plan I still do that, but I then look at what I&#8217;ve written and what I planned to write and realise a lot sooner how far off the beaten path I&#8217;ve gone than if I didn&#8217;t have one. </p>
<p>That said, I do sometimes find myself with a hard decision of whether moving away from what I&#8217;ve planned might result in a better story. Those are tough, and I usually have to think for a pretty long while, or even write a completely separate plan or start writing the story again to get to the answer.</p>
<p>3. Not as much? For me I still have at least a sketch of an idea in whatever I write. Even if it&#8217;s a 100 word rabble, I&#8217;ve got that many words again describing what&#8217;s going to happen. But I think it&#8217;s more of a function of the largeness of the idea rather than the largeness of the form. So a poem may be 10 lines long but contain a very profound idea/observation. In those cases I&#8217;d definitely want to have a conversation with myself on paper to be able to bring it into focus. Whereas if the idea is small, I would be happy to just have a few lines of confirmation of the story arc/characters laid out before starting.</p>
<p>So what do y&#8217;all think?</p>
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